Hi Anton, I am obviously very much in favour of the users guide along the lines you describe. I think this was emphasized again and again at the workshop. I was just making the point that may be we should not spend too much time on the external shape of the building. This will come gradually. The content is more important. The various "Getting Started" documents already on the web site could also be used for some chapters. Rene Brun On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Anton Fokin wrote: > Hi Rene and others, > > Well, that's fine about root helper, but I think I am not sure what > "cathedral model" means. In fact I am helping ROOT users at TSL/LU (i.e. I > talk a lot with novices) and even after these guys start to use ROOT, i.e. > become able to write a script/program, they have no idea at all about ROOT > framework. It means that after months of using ROOT they do not understand > for example a ROOT file structure and how objects like histograms become > "automatically" saved on a file, how to draw an object (well, they can draw > just changing an example, but they do not understand _how_ in principle it > works), the ROOT event model, etc. There are several things which define > ROOT framework (like object storage and file structure, drawing facility, > event handling, dictionary) and they are not somewhat "self-understandable" > and also very different sometimes from other frameworks like Delphi, Qt, > etc. I think those things should be explained before all others and from > this point of view they should make the fundament of the "cathedral" (or > "baazar" if you prefer). > > Regards, > Anton > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch > [mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]On Behalf Of Roland Bramm > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:55 PM > To: Dmitri Litvintsev > Cc: Roland Bramm; roottalk@hpsalo.cern.ch; Christian Holm Christensen > Subject: Re: root manual > > > > > My Conclusion is no Latex, because its only good not high quality, > > > Framaker is customizable too and it is nearly Platformindependent. > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Roland Bramm > > > > Roland, > > > > Are you going to publish 'Vogue' magazine or Users manual? > > If i could make a user manual with the quality of vogue ... > > No, but i dont think, that every user manual has to look after ordinary > Latex with all the problems of Latex. > > With Latex you cant Handle Graphics ( only in eps or ps, not in Text ( > with floatin Text around), you cant specify the place where the Graphic > has to be placed ( becaus of the automatic Page processing ),you cant put > Graphics in the text ( for special Characters )), you cant Handle the Page > for page design, because its automatic, Latex didnt know the two > typographic Rules ( Huren Kinder Regelung, Schusterjungen Regelung ). > Latex can not be convertet in GOOD html or GOOD rtf OR GOOD PDF. > I can tell you many more reasons to bury Latex, but if you are interrested > we can do that private.\ > > Greetings Roland Bramm > from NA 49 > >
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